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Are you so Christ centered that you’d be willing to forfeit your program and free-fall into his, regardless of what it costs you.
"However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given meâ€â€the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace." Acts 20:24
You have 60-90 days to establish in a new believer what needs to be established or you run the risk of the rocky soil. What relationships, doctrines, books, etc. can best help in this establishment process.
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Topics: bill hybels, church, discipleship, evangelism, faith, leadership, nyclc, reveal, willowcreek | 4 Comments »
May 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
this is fascinating J. some serious food for thought for those of us who believe in spiritual growth and transformation
May 12th, 2008 at 12:44 am
J. I don’t believe that teaching “disciplines” is the answer to spiritual growth. As a matter of fact I believe that its part of the problem. It’s not about behaving, its about believing. Anytime devotion is taught apart from Christ it produces a wilderness experience within the believer (Romans 7) . A branch doesn’t have to be taught how to bear fruit. It simple yields fruit. Much of the teaching of spiritual disciplines only provides energy to the flesh and cannot please God. True spiritual growth is Christ being formed within the believer, (Gal. 4:19). It’s not about “spiritual disciplines” its about the fruit of the Spirit. Anything less is only behavior modification. The question is why isnt a believer bearing fruit?
Great reads for spiritual growth;
The Larger Christian Life, AB Simpson
The Complete Green Letters, Stanford
The Normal Christian Life, Nee
The Full Life in Christ, A Murray
May 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Steve,
Very insightful comments. I too wrestle with the tension between avoiding the tendency for works-righteousness and still requiring personal accountability for choices we make about how we spend our time.
I think Hybels’ point is that loving Jesus requires us to spend time with him, and we spend time with him by engaging his word and enjoying his presence. Apart from the nurture time with him brings, our branches will starve, ceasing to bear fruit and ultimately dying on the vine.
May 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
You have to admire the way willow so openly communicates their tensions. I think that their discoveries will open wide much growth for churchs and pastors who look to their leadership.